Really enjoyed this Billie Eilish and Finneas O’Connell interview, recorded with Zane Lowe in Paris earlier this year.

Billie Eilish, obviously, is crazy bananas cultural icon famous, so there’s a lot I had to sort of nod along with (yes, I imagine not being able to walk around Paris is a bummer), but she and her brother are spot on about the rigors of travel and touring, and both are disconcertingly grounded.

Seeing the thing I do at a cult band, secret handshake level intelligently humanized by people with Drake’s number in their contacts is refreshing. Well worth settling in for the entire conversation.